An actual sexual question from ME!!: What sort of "porn" would you like to see done?

[12voltman59]

While I am in the very early stages of getting into video production of various sorts with my main goal is to produce short programs for local access TV, do some journalistic sorts of reports, longer form documentary pieces and even at first, some short form fiction pieces.

We have had many posts over the years where people talk about what sorts of porn that they like and such.

I know that I have always said that most porn no matter whether its hetero, gay, bi or whatever "turns me off"---not so much from the pure sex part---but in the very cliched way that I find that most of it is done like the scenarios are always very thin, there are certain "punch list" things they have to do like the almost always---if there is a cock being shot----then they have to have the obligatory "Spurting Cock--Money Shot"

Well---first off the initial question----what sort of porn would you like to see and in that I am not talking about the category of the porn--more along the lines of the other content--like should the sorts of situations make sense and such or is the way it is mostly done is OK??

I say that if I were to produce "porn"---I would like to make the storylines not of course be the total focus--but make them reasonable and relatable to most people--I would not want most of my on screen "talent" to have the cliched look of "porn stars" and look more like real people--meaning--not all the guys have to have monster cocks or the women have big boobs and tits, they don't have "perfect bodies" with them looking more like "real people" than models, not be only young--and in fact---have people of all ages from the young, to "middle aged" and on to them being of the age we once called "elderly"

So--another question---a multi-part one----would this sort of "porn" sound like something you would like to see---and now--the REAL question---Would you PAY for such "porn?"

I do put porn in quotes because if I were to ever produce such work---I really don't think I would care for the term "porn" because If I ever get to this point and were to seriously consider doing such stuff--I would not really care for it to be labeled as "porn" but something different since I would not do it in the cliched ways of porn.

I do have to ask if people would consider buying such work--because I would set a high quality standard in all ways for the work--that includes finding on screen talent with both decent and believable acting skills who are also interested in doing explicit sexual scenes, and paying them would not be cheap--they would have to be paid at least SAG standard rates if not more if they are "the stars" or become such--along with having the proper equipment to do the work---like getting top end cameras with the new hotter than all get out cam and the one video shooters get a hard on dreaming about---which is the RED Camera System with each one you get to make it the way you want to be----coats a minimum of like $100,000 for each one.

http://www.red.com/experience

I am about to order my first prograde HD cam in a few days and that one is just a "beginners" cam--and it costs like three grand just for the cam--I will need to spend another grand or so to get all the accessories I need like a good tripod, a good wireless mic system, lights, etc.

I am interested in reading what everyone has to say----and maybe if I like what I hear----even though I am a long way from going this way--it might be something I would want to consider at some point on down the line.

Thanks, ya'all!

[tenni]

Voltie
I'm a video artist. I know that you have been using photography for quite a few years. You may be influenced by the equipment and the technical abilities of the equipment. The Red Camera has been promoted for several years by those media artists interested in narrative. I'm sure that you are aware of another camera Canon 5D Mark ll which was used to film an entire final season episode of "House" a few years ago. I'm of the group that doesn't focus on the equipment as much as the creativity. Are you going to use Final Cut Pro or Premiere for editing? You may also want to explore After Effects for post production(I find it a bit beyond my mind but you may not). There are a lot of post production fun things that may be done with Final Cut Pro.

In my opinion, it is not as much the equipment but the artist making the film that is important. Most would suggest that you start with a very short work. I'd suggest five minutes and ten minutes max. Audio recording is also important whether from the actors or post production. If you use dialogue, keep it to a minimum and focus on your past experience of creating visual messages.

As far as the type of porn to explore, I'd suggest looking into the difference between erotica and porn. If you have no interest in porn, I wouldn't even bother looking at creating it. Research video art dealing with sexualities and in particular lesbian video art is often very well done with great camera angles etc.

I've created two short videos in the past year or so that are not porn as much as erotic video art. Post production audio played a role rather than actors speaking. I went for the visual impact and I think that you may be good at doing that. Frame your shots carefully. You have a fairly good idea and experience at taking good single frame shots. I'd look at focusing on the body rather than the face. Lighting may become more important in setting up scenes. Don't let the technical overwhelm the creative aspects.
Good luck to you.

[andyinboxers]

I have a few thoughts... 1 love your ideas about real people and not just young models... But in addition I like the idea of a plot... (More than just some girl goes to Wal Mart and sucks and fucks her way through the store... Have a BELIEVABLE story... Also this might just be me but have the actors and actresses wear undies...

[**Peg**]

..... I'm of the group that doesn't focus on the equipment as much as the creativity....Don't let the technical overwhelm the creative aspects.


oh I SO agree! "art" truly is in the eye of the beholder, and IMO, concerning ones self with the latest/best/most expensive equipment reminds me of something I heard a long time ago.

A friend created some wonderfully unique photographs and he was asked what equipment he had used. He replied: "if I typed your dissertation and did a great job on it, would you ask me what brand of typewriter I used?" That stuck with me.

volty! I'm shocked @ u !!! :yikes2: (not)

>hugs<

[12voltman59]

Peg--I am just saying that wanting to have the best quality equipment is a dream--and a goal worthy of obtaining---as the old saying goes: "to get to the door handle, you have to aim at the top of the door."

With the camera I will be ordering very soon--right now the place I am getting it from is one of the big high end electronics places in NYC and the proprietors are Jewish and they have been closed like the past week or so for Passover.

It is going to be a lower end professional grade one not as good as what CNN or CBS uses, but surely better than buying a little handheld cam like you get at Best Buy or Wal-Mart--even though some of those are great for many things just not the sorts of things I aspire and am going to work towards doing---the cam I am getting is very capable of producing television shows and reports fit for broadcasting on local and national TV. This camera make and model is also popular with those doing documentary work, which is my true goal--at least for the foreseeable future.

And yes Peg--I know that the quality of work that one produces is not always dependent upon the quality of the gear you have--many famous photographers did their work on cameras we now consider to be primitive and obsolete and they were people who learned the art, craft and science of what they did without having the best stuff.

I can say that in getting into this though----I am aiming for putting out the best work possible based upon my skills at the time and the equipment I have on hand----I have already done enough things with a few productions that I can say---much of what you see on the TV and in the theaters---are often put together by a dedicated team of talented people who did things on a small budget and with equipment that was held together with duct tape and bailing wire.

I am kinda sorry that you couldn't tell that my goal and ideals are to produce the highest quality of work in all aspects of the work or to actually rely upon those with great skills taking pride in their work as well to do their part of the thing--no matter what type of work that happens to be.

All of that sort of stuff is more long term though---because like in all things--you have to "crawl before you can walk."

In the meantime in the coming months, I will be doing what scores of other both established and fellow aspiring video production people to do the "bread and butter" sorts of jobs--like doing weddings, maybe some instructional or demonstration videos for companies, businesses, etc.

[FunE1]

A friend created some wonderfully unique photographs and he was asked what equipment he had used. He replied: "if I typed your dissertation and did a great job on it, would you ask me what brand of typewriter I used?" That stuck with me.


Peg -- love that story.

[welickit]

Regardless of how you made it or who was in it, we wouldn't pay to see it. Anything you want to see is free on the internet. We do watch home made amateur porn but prefer to watch in person live. All the old porn I can download free on my computer with my FREE satellite TV receiver if I want it. I just downloaded Caligula and burned it on DVD for a friend.

I think you would have a tough time getting this going and a fairly small following. As an example, look at how many people complain about paying for any portion of this site. If you can get it for free you aren't going to pay.

[Gearbox]

I have to agree that there's no way I'd pay for porn for the same reasons. But I would prefer to see REAL looking 'actors' that look as if they actually enjoy the sex, and even some fantasy situations involved. Not wild fantasies like an orgy breaking out for no apparent reason! But ones that involve seduction of some sort.

Good look with it!:)

[Realist]

There's no doubt that everyone has different interests; I'm sure you'll get many different ideas, but here's my thoughts. I'm not very interested in most porn I've seen. But, from time to time, I have seen a few that were arousing. I like your idea of erotica, rather than porn, too.

One of the most interesting and sensuous erotic videos (on tape)I ever saw, was one that (I think) was made by women for women, years ago. There was no over-acting, no looking at the camera looking for approval, and no making unrealistic, exaggerated, noises. There was a natural progression of events...nothing seemed contrived, or fake. If one was hiding in the closet, watching, their actions would appear to be genuine.

On close-ups of penetration, the male didn't pull out and masturbate, then squirt on the lady. (I've always thought that was one of the most faked things in porn!) I know I've never wanted to pull out when an orgasm was eminent!

Realistically, during intercourse, or oral sex, some ejaculate was seen emerging from around the genitalia, or mouth, though. The actors seemed to be natural and genuinely into whatever they did.

I liked it. I've bought less than ten videos in my entire life, but if you made something equal to that one, I'd buy it.

[welickit]

I think the woman Realist was referring to is Liz Thomas. Her videos are still online for free and were well done. Mostly lesbian without direction or acting, everything was natural.

[axlton]

Regardless of how you made it or who was in it, we wouldn't pay to see it. Anything you want to see is free on the internet. We do watch home made amateur porn but prefer to watch in person live. All the old porn I can download free on my computer with my FREE satellite TV receiver if I want it. I just downloaded Caligula and burned it on DVD for a friend.

I think you would have a tough time getting this going and a fairly small following. As an example, look at how many people complain about paying for any portion of this site. If you can get it for free you aren't going to pay.

Even when it's free to you on sites like youporn.com, people are still getting paid for it. Everywhere you look, everywhere, your eyeballs are being sold to advertisers. Nowhere is this more true than on the Internet.

[Long Duck Dong]

I kinda agree with realist..... lol realistic porn.... love making in action without the staged look and feel..... spontaneous love making... that is the type of stuff that would grab my attention...

a better way of putting it... the people make love cos they feel so intimate with the other person, they forget the camera and everybody else exists.....and it becomes their moment, their sharing, their desire to experience the moment to the fullest

most porn I see, is sex..sex and more sex..... and if I can not put myself in the role of any of the people, its rubbish in my eyes... but if I can put myself in the role of any person and *feel* what they feel, smell what they smell, touch what they are touching, then I can transpose that into erotic fiction and craft it into stories ( not direct copies of the video action but fantasy erotica ) so yeah, I would pay for the stuff that would create my attention, and its in the same way that I will pay to download a good song that * touches * me inside, makes me feel something etc

[12voltman59]

I just asked this question to see what people thought of what sort of porn I think I would actually like to see and if other's agreed.

It is obvious though that plenty of people do pay for their porn---I don't know the exact numbers---but I have read that the money generated and the value of the "porn" industry itself is very significant---not quite as big as is mainstream Hollywood---but still a big number.

Like I said----I just did this posting as a "what if" or "why not consider it" kind of thing for something, surely well off in the future---and I would only consider doing this if several things happen---I have met with financial success in what work I do in the future and if I got to that point---after getting with some fellow investors thinking about starting a production company of this sort who think they would like to see such porn done, and we found that after doing the proper "due diligence" we determined there was enough things positive about going this way to justify the expense and effort, only then would we proceed to do it.

There is one very cool success story in the porn industry that I think shows that someone who has not done this sort of thing can come out of nowhere and become a big success. I think this story came from the old HBO series "Real Sex" where they took looks at various aspects of "the sex industry." They had this one story about a retired military officer who decided upon leaving the service, he was going to make porn "his way."

He put his money together---almost single-handedly--not having any sort of experience in doing any video production, he just did it----and at first---he used himself as the only male performer. Well--he was a short, middle-aged, balding, paunchy man--with a cock well into the normal range----you would think for those reasons alone he would fail----well quite the opposite happened---he quickly developed a following and he became a "star" and his films were in pretty big demand---such that he went on to become a pretty big player in the porn film industry---he personally won several awards as a performer and his films either at least were nominated for film awards or they won them.

At the time of the production of the Real Sex episode this appeared--he had said he was planning to simply step away and no longer perform himself since by then he had developed other talent that became stars, but he had so many "fans" that they clamored for him to keep being in the films, so they continued on with his own series along with what else the company was then also making.

Now--I can tell ya--I might want to do some acting--but I have no desire to do anything in a porn flick---but I just shared this story to show that it is possible to make money in "porn" and to become a financial and other success in that industry.

[**Peg**]

sorry volty, I was just joking, didn't mean to offend you. You have a real talent IMO.

[12voltman59]

Thanks Peg--but you weren't the only person to post up suggesting that I not be so enamored with the tech part. I do say that if I get to this point that I would consider doing work of that sort---I would make work that is erotic---not pornography.

It has always bummed me that with "Hollywood" sorts of productions---that the examples of explicit but artfully done films is actually few and far between--and when they have been done movies of this sort like "Last Tango in Paris," "Henry and June" and to some extent the one intense lesbian love scene in "Bound"---they are become controversial.

I find it kind of a sad thing that explicitly depicting sexual things in the context of a "real movie" is "obscene" while it is pretty much an accepted thing that we have all sorts of films from major studios that include huge blockbuster flicks that show in great detail, the more goriest things and the most horrific acts of violence--and that's pretty much fine.

With the ratings system and the movie theater chains catering to kids basically----they won't screen films that have anything beyond a certain rating so distribution of such films is essentially an impossibility from an economic sense because perhaps they might get shown at "art film houses"--those kind of theaters are few and far between and they are generally small venues.

This to me is pretty telling the way that society views sexual matters in general if the film deals with totally "normal" sex----namely heterosexual sex---but forget it if the subject matter delves into dealing with other forms of sexual expression.

Honestly---I would aspire to telling a story about bisexuality, doing so in a manner that would show what I consider are the realities with this topic--not the stereotyped ways that it has been done in the past, and if I did---I'd really like to have some explicit sex scenes--but just like the way that those who produce "serious films" must do it---I'd only be able to do "simulated" or "implied" sexual action.

Somehow though, in Bernado Bertolucci's "The Sheltering Sky" in the later portion of the movie he was able to get away with having a pretty intense sex scene--it has Deborah Winger engaging in some of the most explicit sexual acts that I have ever seen in a "big movie" but in discussions about the movie--it was controversial to some for other reasons--but the sexual parts seemed to almost escape notice.

I do have to say---the movie is so long and kind of bleak---that to watch it just for those sex scenes is a bit of a tough slog.

[BiCplAz]

I think the woman Realist was referring to is Liz Thomas. Her videos are still online for free and were well done. Mostly lesbian without direction or acting, everything was natural.

It's Viv Thomas and we love her movies.